Cosmetic Companies, Animal Testing, and China: My Thoughts

Hey Guys and Dolls,

I have to say first off I avoided writing this blogpost  because it was such a snarled mess of crap in my head, and it’s taken me a while to work though. I’ve tried separating my emotions from the equation but found that I can rationalize either side with logic, so essentially this boils down to how I feel. My opinions on this still a bit tangle-y and I’m sure this post will be rather informal and ramble-y, so just bear with me. Consider yourself warned- this post is LOOONG!

This blog post has been edited from it’s original version to clear up some confusion.

This is a SUPER honest blogpost, nothing held back, and while you might not agree with what I have to say, please be respectful. I’m not a vegan or a vegetarian. I will not discuss that. This post is about animal testing for cosmetic products, how I define cruelty-free, and where I draw the line in terms of what I will buy and promote.

Let’s start chronologically, because that seems to help me organize my thoughts. Several years ago I learned that some cosmetic companies tested either ingredients and/or finished products on animals, but there were also companies who did not, including some of my favorite brands like MAC, Urban Decay, NYX etc and brands I grew up on like AVON. I was appalled that companies would continue to test their products on animals when it seemed clear to me that it was not necessary since alternative testing methods were available. I think we can all agree that testing on animals for makeup is a cruel and outdated practice- and even if you’re not emotionally swayed by animal suffering, testing on an animals isn’t the same as human tissue! I decided to only buy from the “good” companies, and eventually phased out all use of brands who tested on animals or whose parent company tested. Thankfully a lot of my favorite brands were cruelty free, and the things I had to giveup I was able to find replacements for. I felt very good about my decision thinking it was a very obvious black and white issue. But overtime I realized that it’s not a black and white issue.

Several friends or family members would tell me sheepishly, that they would use an Olay moisturizer, or loved their L’oreal mascara, as if confessing an unforgivable sin to me. It made me feel so bad that they felt shame talking to me- the fact is, many people are on a fixed income, and quality, cruelty free products that would suit their needs are out of their price range. Going cruelty-free was affordable and right for me, but I have no kids, no mortgage, and this is my job & my hobby- so I find ways to buy what I need. Yes there are several cruelty free makeup lines at the drugstore, but few options for moisturizers, sunscreen, and hair care. You and I -beauty junkies- know that these things exists, but not everyone had the time/resources to investigate everything they bought. I decided to not judge and after bringing it up one or twice drop the issue- if someone was trying to force their morals on me I would have a fit.

Then a few people pointed out that while it was admirable to buy only cruelty free beauty products- I was still buying things like laundry detergent from companies that test on animals. The fact is, most of the chemicals and products we use everyday have at one point been tested for safety on animals.  Replacing every single thing with cruelty free alternatives would cost a fortune, and honestly I just can’t afford to put my money where my heart is on every social issue.  There’s a lot of first-world guilt that goes along with my first-world problems, and we have to pick & choose our battles.

As you guys know I’m also a makeup artist and I would occasionally run into a sticky situation- a client would request a non-cruelty free product, and be quite adamant about it: What do you do in that situation? I tried suggesting an alternative, but people get very attached to their faveorite beauty products, and on-set isn’t really the best place to argue your case. It really got me thinking about my future as a makeup artist; Would I ever walk off a set/away from a job because a non-cruelty free brand was being used? I’d like to think that won’t be an issue, but you’re not always using your own kit, sometimes the cosmetics are provided by a specific cosmetic company.  I realized the best I can do is stock my own kit with cruelty-free brands, and try to turn people on to those products. I also try to stock as many Vegan products as I can since I get requests for that as well.

I never made a video about this on YouTube or talked about it much here, except to add a line in my disclaimer about how I only promote cruelty free products, because I wanted you guys to know that if you wanted to buy only cruelty-free items, anything I reviewed or used would be OK. The issues I had in my personal life just made me not want to make a big fuss over it because I didn’t want to have to constantly explain my feelings about it, or shame anyone. I tend to over think everything and due to my wonderful, awful logic loving, yet emotionally charged brain, I tend think of every side of an argument and end up torturing myself, picking apart my own truths. Once I’ve finally made a decision I hate explaining myself, because it brings it all up again.Virgos man.

Everyone has to draw their own line of what is acceptable, and what their own morals are. For me, I decided that it was enough to buy only beauty products not tested on animals. This was/is my line in the sand. Perhaps a squiggly line, but I felt sorted out with it. So that’s where I’ve been at for about 3 years or so- it was a journey, but I was at a place where I was at peace with it all.

Last year I was double checking MAC’s parent company Estee Lauder to make sure they were still cruelty free, and their policy stated something to the effect of “We do not conduct animal testing except where required by law” etc… I assumed this meant except for Sunscreen, or medicated treatments for acne which are technically considered drugs, which I figured had to be tested on animals for safety by law.

Apparently I should have read between the lines about what “where” meant.

Over the last few weeks it has come to light that several major cosmetic companies had a change in their Animal Testing policies, the main ones making headlines were Estee Lauder, Mary Kay and Avon.  These companies have changed their Animal Testing policies so they could sell their products in China, also known as  p.r.o.c. (People’s Republic of China). Apparently, the Chinese government requires all cosmetic company’s to submit their products for safety testing on animals, or requires that the testing be done- it’s unclear exactly how this is handled. I’m completely shocked, pissed off, betrayed, and frankly a little confused. Estee Lauder owns TONS for brands, including MAC whose slogan was once “Tested on Models, not Animals”. I was fuming mad and I felt deeply betrayed; MAC in particular was hard for me. MAC was the brand that made me fall in love with Makeup, and want to be a makeup artist. MAC has incredible programs like Viva Glam and Back to MAC. More than 70% or more of my entire makeup collection is MAC. Perhaps most importantly, I used to work for MAC. I polished my skills on their sales floor, and became a better makeup artist though their training. I love MAC like it’s a living breathing thing. To be clear, I no longer work for MAC, I quit back in January.

AVON! I grew up on AVON- we were very poor when I was a teen, and without my mom selling Avon I wouldn’t have had any toiletries, let along food on the table. Even though I don’t really buy much anything from them anymore (it’s simply not convenient) AVON means a lot to me. The hurt I feel over this is hard to explain, and I could go on and on about why I don’t like this and how I deeply disagree with these brands, but let’s get down to my burning, game changing, questions:

Does this mean the companies will be themselves contracting out tests on ingredients/finished products, are they simply handing them over ot the Chinese government for testing? Though that isn’t much better; They are still moving into a market that requires animal cruelty, but I can’t help but see that as a bit different.

What about the European Ban on Animal Tested cosmetics which goes into effect in 2013? I could see this causing a huge problem, and it will be interesting to see how this pans out.

Will these companies who claim to still be cruelty free have separate testing facilities for North America and Europe?

What about separate manufacturing?

And then the Million Dollar Question: Does this mean ALL COSMETICS MANUFACTURED, but not necessarily SOLD in China are also tested on animals? If that’s the case, then world of truly cruelty-free cosmetics just got a whole lot smaller. If any cosmetics made in China are now considered not cruelty free, then tons of brands are now in the “gray area”.  EDIT June 12 2012 3:33 PM- Apparently the regulations & laws are different for products that are only manufactured but not sold in China. This is excellent news! 

After I cooled down from my initial anger, I tried to think about it logically-I know it’s not as though these companies woke up one day and said  “Eff animals, let’s torture on them for fun! What country will let us do that?!!”. They did this to make a profit- no matter what their PR spin is. Let’s face it, the US economy is tanking, it’s not a great thing to think about, but we’re in a massive recession. Spending on “fluff” things like makeup initially goes up (in fact, it’s referred to as the Lipstick Effect), but over the years, it tapers off. American movies are now premiering overseas before we get them here! All industries are looking globally in order to stay in business and stay profitable. China has 1.5 billion people, and American and European brands are in high-demand there. I know we become attached to these brands and think of them as people, friends even, but these are businesses, and even though I hate it, I understand from a business point of view why they would want to move into the Chinese market.

For weeks I’ve felt a little lost with this, trying to not think about what this means for me, but a few days ago Urban Decay -a company that built it’s entire reputation on being cruelty free, and touted it’s Vegan products to attract customers- announced they would now be selling in China as well. Boycotting brands is simply not working if even the “good ones” are going to the dark side. I feel as though if I did replace my entire kit, tomorrow those brands could switch sides. Public opinion and laws need to change. I feel like when I initially went cruelty free it was very simple: Either a company tested on animals, or they didn’t. Now I realize there are layers- and it’s so complicated and hard to know where to draw my line in the sand anymore. I feel like as more and more companies move into other markets, things are going to change- either there will be fewer and fewer truly cruelty free brands, or laws will change, banning animal testing. At this point it time right now- it’s all a gray area really.

It feels like everything is changing; the cosmetic world I thought I knew is not the same, and I feel like I need to formally address it to my viewers and readers who look to me for guidance, or just let you know where I stand.

Makeup is my industry as a Makeup Artist and a Beauty Vlogger- it’s literally what I do for a living. It took a lot of soul-searching, I realized that giving up makeup is not an option for me- but neither is claiming to be 100% cruelty free anymore.  To be clear I still will buy mostly “legit” (as far as we know) non-animal tested beauty products, but I will also be using some products from companies that fall into the “gray area”.  I will NOT be buying & promoting brands like L’oreal who have actually fought the European Ban. Maybe that only makes me semi-cruelty free. I hope that one day all cosmetics will be cruelty-free and at some point this will be a non-issue, but at this point, it seems like there is a awful lot of lying going on.

I hate that these companies can’t be truthful. I’ve been put in a tough position, and I hate it.

Edit- I took the breakdown of my new policy out of this blog post because I don’t think it was clear enough in the context of this post. If you’d like to read it, please click here

If you read this whole thing, you deserve a medal! Thank you for reading, Cora

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211 comments

  1. Phyrra (@Phyrra) · June 11, 2012 Phyrra

    I agree with you completely. It’s such a complex issue and it’s so frustrating to try and find out the truth.

    • Cora (vintageortacky) · June 11, 2012 Cora

      And really, unless we oversee everything about a company’s operations, we never really know.

      • hope · June 13, 2012

        I am a Stylist/Makeup Artist, Im going to no longer use Mac, but Mirabella does not animal test and is Eco friendly. How do I find out the truth.

    • Luke · June 15, 2012 Luke

      I agree, however, don’t let it get you stuck, if we all do the research and contact these companies (like veggiebauty has been doing and myself and many others) you can find out their stance, Illasmaqua as an example got back to me on this and they do not test.

      Veggiebauty has a a sample question letter to ask on her website, which i did but omitted some vegan questions as I’m not 100% vegan. It does NOT have to be so complex. ♥

  2. Barbara Murphy · June 11, 2012 Barbara

    While it’s a complex issue, it’s all for more and more money. Corruption exists where money exists and any and all companies want MORE MONEY! I’m with you Cora, but I stopped wearing makeup years ago because I don’t believe an animal should be made to suffer for my vanity. I am not judging you or anyone else who doesn’t do the same thing as I, I just want to be honest :)
    As for affordable household cleaning products which are not tested on animals…method (people against dirty) is an awesome brand. The packaging is attractive, the products are affordable, readily available and…they work!
    Love this post Cora. It takes courage to speak your mind and say what you believe. Love ya for it. Hugs from Canada :B

    • Cora (vintageortacky) · June 11, 2012 Cora

      Oh Method is cruelty free- thank you for mentioning that!

      • Kris · June 12, 2012

        I’m a firm believer in the cleaning power of vinegar and baking soda – both also cruelty free! :)

  3. Gabrielle D.C (@RenardeRousse) · June 11, 2012 Gabrielle

    Thank you for putting your voice out there. From the UD statement I read, they refuse to pay for tests, and have been told by the Chinese govt that China reserves the right to test their products on animals, but that this is not necessarily what happens to every product. I myself have chosen a similar line to you, I will continue to buy from companies that claim to be cruelty free as long as the product I am buying says it was made in Canada, the US, France etc.

    • Cora (vintageortacky) · June 11, 2012 Cora

      It’s just such a shitty position to be put in.

      • Arlene · June 12, 2012

        I agree. Actually just a few days ago I went to Lush and I was having this same conversation with one of the girls. I don’t get the need for animal testing when it is actually more expensive and the same tests can be conducted with all of the new technology. I too am a makeup lover but yet feel the need to take a stance on issues of importance. Thanks for the post!

  4. Caro · June 11, 2012 Caro

    It is a complex issue which will make getting the answers to your questions tough, companies usually say what consumers want to hear, at the end of the day their main goal is the profit line.

  5. Ali · June 11, 2012 Ali

    This is upsetting for sure but like you said, China is massive and they want to make more money. Unfortunately, we don’t know which companies to trust as a result!

    I’m grateful you’ll be adding a new disclaimer, so we can make the best choices possible about whether or not to support a certain company. Thanks, Cora! :)

  6. Serena · June 11, 2012 Serena

    This is one of the best posts on cosmetic animal testing that I’ve read, my thoughts are the same. And I think that the Chinese government only requires testing if the products are sold in China…at least I hope so. I really believe one of these days animal testing will be gone forever, but I don’t think that is going to happen anytime soon. Don’t ever feel guilty about the products you use; what you purchase is your business, not anyone else’s.

    • Cora (vintageortacky) · June 11, 2012 Cora

      Thank you Serena. This was so difficult for me to write and took me several days to make sure I was organizing my thoughts correctly!

    • Mandy · June 12, 2012 Mandy

      I agree, I believe the actual requirement is that in order to *sell* a product in China, you must be willing to allow the product to be tested on animals. Brands that *do not* sell their makeup in China, but perhaps have a factory of some kind (maybe the packaging is made in China and maybe the makeup itself is made in the USA, etc., it’s hard to say) still fall within cruelty-free status, I believe.

      I have found that websites like Leaping Bunny are more reliable and trustworthy than PETA, etc., and they help us consumers who maybe can’t put tons of research in on each brand and their sources, etc. — they do the legwork. While I still look things up on my own, I am still incredibly thankful for what they do to help us out.

  7. Vee · June 11, 2012 Vee

    That makes a lot of sense. It’s hard to be a makeup junkie and only use cruelty-free products. Truly not just a black or white type of issue.

  8. Anna · June 11, 2012 Anna

    For something that is purely a hobby for me, I guess I can choose to be specific about only using & purchasing cruelty free products. But when you work in the industry, as you say, & are required or asked to use certain products it puts people in very difficult situations. Really it seems ridiculous that we should be made to choose-in a perfect world everything would be cruelty free!

  9. Bekki · June 11, 2012 Bekki

    Thank you, so much for this. It’s an honest thought process, and I hope everyone appreciates it.
    I’m a makeup artist as well, and work in a drugstore fulltime and I always find it really difficult to explain to customers and clients about animal testing and cruelty free products, and why “Not tested on animals” isn’t the same as “legit” cruelty free.
    Like you wrote, some people can’t afford to buy higher end stuff,and others just don’t care. And that’s them, I’m not going to think of them differently.

    And also, like you wrote, sometimes when you get a gig, it’s not necessarily an option to use your own kit, it’s use what they supply, but if it’s a huge opportunity, what are you supposed to do?

    But I can’t buy a Cover Girl product, or Maybelline or what have you, in good conscious..I just can’t.

    I make the same choices with the food I eat, household products, etc etc.

    Everyone has their limit though, and you shouldn’t let anyone try to make you feel bad about your choices or thoughts. It’s all in what feels comfortable and good for you.

    Also, sidenote- Smashbox is supposed to be going vegan. They were also bought out by Estee Lauder.
    And Method household products are fantastic!

    I’m rambly, I apologize.

    Thanks again for the post.
    Take care!

    • Cora (vintageortacky) · June 11, 2012 Cora

      Thank you for your comment! I feel the same- I feel like they are all guilty to a certain degree, but some are worse than others!

    • Elya Foust · June 12, 2012 Elya

      Smash box was indeed bought by Estée Lauder. I do not know if they’ll be moving into china or not.

      Working for and selling Estée Lauder has become more challenging, wanting to hate something you’ve grown to love. Nearly EVERYTHING in my daily routine is Lauder or a daughter company there of. Explaining this situation to customers is very difficult. I have resigned to using only the sound bite lauder provided to the public and a small bit of explanation of it, leaving any personal opinion out of the equation.

      It’s a toughie but I think I’m with you Cora. Good for you, it’s a brave thing to let your voice be heard.

      • xBlackOrgasm · June 13, 2012

        Smashbox is not cruelty-free anymore. It’s been reported on many blogs,etc.

  10. Mile Skarsgård · June 11, 2012 Mile

    Very interesting and not so easy to resolve. I have been a Vegan for almost 7 years now. It is also very difficult to be a makeup lover in a non vegan makeup world. Like you, I’ve also had my few makeup brands that I “trusted” to be Vegan or to have Vegan alternatives. However, Veganism is a lot of times elitist and radical. Nevertheless, there are some wise Vegans who also tell us to take our Veganism as far as we can without over thinking or punishing ourselves to extremes. I would love to live in a world where animals were not harmed let alone killed for our profit, taste buds, entertainment, vanity or amusement. However, there’s still a long way until such things are considered wrong. But you know what, we are getting there! :) it might not be today, it might not be tomorrow, but it is getting there.

    True, you just lived a small fall when you found out about labels who market in China and the sad loss of UD but things will get better. New, innovative brands will come and others will join the cruelty free wagon. I would say, don’t give up on your beliefs and join the evil only because apparently, there’s no choice. There’s always a choice.

    I applaud you by peacefully promote your beliefs. When I was an omnivore, I hated to be preached on about Vegetarianism. People don’t change by us imposing our believes. People don’t change if they’re not ready to do it. Thank you for the great article and for the opportunity to share our opinions.

    • Cora (vintageortacky) · June 11, 2012 Cora

      I definitely hope we’re working towards a more civilized tomorrow!

  11. beautybymsdarkmetal · June 11, 2012 beautybymsdarkmetal

    Being cruelty free seems like a simple choice, but it’s far from it. Companies make it so difficult. I just pray someday this will all be far behind us. John Hopkins University has a center for alternative testing. http://caat.jhsph.edu/ I just hope someday they’ll make advancements where at least we can safely test cosmetics on something other than living animals.

    • Cora (vintageortacky) · June 11, 2012 Cora

      The thing is, they can, it’s just more expensive/takes longer!

  12. Snarky Princess · June 11, 2012 Snarky

    Bravo!

    I’m glad this was such a long explanation- because it *needed* to be said.
    I totally stand with you on the fact that things are just not black or white, it’s a whole lot of grey- some shades darker than others. I’m not vegan, but I do try to mostly stay away from cruelty free products- but sometimes it’s just not possible like you said. And when on a tight budget, it’s even harder- but there are ways to do it if one is resourceful!

    Good for you for taking a stand, being honest, and speaking your mind!

    • Cora (vintageortacky) · June 11, 2012 Cora

      Thank you for your comment! It was such a long & exhaustive post to write but you’re right, it needed to be fully explained!

  13. Airi Magdalene · June 11, 2012 Airi

    I’m a huge animal advocate for a multitude of reasons. Fun fact : my female cat that I rescued a few years ago – the mother of my two squishy little boys – is named Cora. I’ve always been against cruelty. I was a vegan for a very very long time because I felt that I was something akin to a hypocrite if I ate animals but was opposed to the testing and I couldn’t rectify what was right and what was wrong in my head.
    That’s when I started looking at more homegrown cosmetic companies that don’t test on animals. Like Glamour Doll Eyes, for example. They make most of their stuff themselves, it’s AMAZING and I absolutely adore them more than any other brand, and I don’t have to worry about them testing on animals, since they custom blend products from raw ingredients that have loooong since been approved for cosmetic usage in the US. My clients are also always exceedingly happy with how they look in GDE products, and that’s a huge plus as well.
    Indie brands are the bomb. You’re supporting the economy in a better and more functional way by handing your money to an independent retailer than you are handing it out to a corporate giant, and, in as many cases as I possibly can, that’s what I prefer to do. You know who’s making what you’re buying and what they do with it. It just feels good for a multitude of reasons, not only to know exactly what you’re getting and where it came from, but to know they’re listening to and interacting with their customers whom you know they endlessly appreciate, and the people who are getting your money are people with faces who pay rent and work hard for everything they have, just like most everyone else.
    I’m sorry this has been such a long post, but the point I’m trying to make is that I completely understand where you’re coming from and I know you probably feel like you were going to explode if you didn’t get it out. I don’t think anybody is going to judge you or think less of you for having to make slight compromises. It’s part of your job. It’s part of my job. It’s part of a lot of our jobs.

    • Cora (vintageortacky) · June 11, 2012 Cora

      First off- that’s awesome about your cat! I also love supporting Indie Brands! Sugarpill is one of my faves!

    • Wheatenbeauty · June 13, 2012 Wheatenbeauty

      I’m just starting to try indie products–Glamour Doll Eyes, Pumpkin & Poppy. so far I’ve been happy with the products & love the experience. I’ve got a lot of stuff in my makeup bag that I purchased before I considered issues like this. I’ll keep those. but I am going to try to be more awarenwith future purchases.

  14. charlotte · June 11, 2012 charlotte

    Wonderful post.

    It is nice to hear from someone who tries to see the reality involved. Personally, I hate animal testing… or any other method of abuse or mistreatment…. including but not limited to the horrors of competion/racing. I have adopted countless animals of many species, and run an equine rescue. BUT… in real life it is extremely difficult, if not impossible to conform to only buying cruelty free. Cosmetics are one thing, as you point out we only know what they tell us.. and they are not exactly forthcoming. Who knows how many items are purchased with the belief they are cruelty free, only to pad the pockets of a company who is simply lying. Urban Decay, just as an example, was testing in China for months before they said anything to the consumers. If you think about the myriad of products you and your family use on a daily basis, and really bother to check, it is next to impossible to buy only cruelty free. Foods, cleansers, chemicals, textiles, plastics, medications… the issue is everywhere, not just on your face. Some are so quick to condemn, but take a look around their home, or car, or office… I guarantee you will find something that was tested on an animal. That is not even taking into account the cruelty involved to humans in their production, just as important yet seldom ever talked about. How many of the crusaders are using their Iphone every day… knowing it was produced in a sweat shop? Until the laws change that will be the case. So while I try to buy cruelty free whenever possible, and favor those brands if I can…. I can only do so much and the guilt trip is helping no one. If a person truly wants to make a difference they have to get off their butt and get out there, write the letters, file the petitions, make the calls… to change the laws.

    • Cora (vintageortacky) · June 11, 2012 Cora

      Don’t even get me stared on animal racing/fighting! Thank you for your comment and I completely agree with you.

  15. Whimberly1 · June 11, 2012 Whimberly1

    Bravo on a very well written blog!

  16. Mika · June 11, 2012 Mika

    I understand your position as well ( I have my makeup diploma and aesthetics licence ). I believe that it is a moral and ethics fight you have just started to face. I had this dilemma after I finished school for makeup. But I got farther into it, meaning, the proven harmful ingredients in skincare/makeup bothered me so much mentally and physically ( cant wear most foundations anymore) , that I choose to not do makeup or skincare on clients anymore. I didn’t like companies that sold products that have ingredients that have been proven to cause breast cancer and in turn promote and have sales for breast cancer awareness. I know through research and time spent looking online there are many new and older companies that have great quality products that are amazing, safe , and not tested on animals and are dirt cheap. Really stupidly cheap lol. But like you stated it was not easy to find these companies but having someone like you who can put themselves out there to the world to stand for your own morals and ethics is a great way to educate the ignorant. If I had the “balls” to do vid’s I would ! Anyway sorry for the long comment, but I wanted you to know you are not alone.

    – Mika

  17. Sarah · June 11, 2012 Sarah

    I’m glad to read it. You make a lot of sense really. I am a makeup artist too, and it makes you really wonder what’s really going on behind the scenes. It also makes you think about what you should do from a moral stand point & from a working/money stand point. I completely agree with you that almost everything is in a shade of grey. It would be very interested to hear some answers to your questions. Thanks for the post.

  18. Karen · June 11, 2012 Karen

    Like you said it’s a very complicated issue but I admire your ideas. Though the practice of testing on animals is obviously not necessary – as we’ve seen many companies using alternatives for a very long time – it’s a matter of using outdated practices as well as money. The only thing we can do is not buy products tested on animals and continue to let cosmetics companies know how we feel.

  19. irene · June 11, 2012 irene

    It really is tough to be absolutley cruelty free everything we do involves some sort of animal testing. From shamppos to makeup to hair products. Although ur not a vegan or vegitarian cora and neither am I. I respect the fact that you care so much and are passionate about this issue. I hope there will be a line that’s 100 % cruelty free all around affordable beauty product that doesn’t decide to sell out. Maybe something like “coras cruelty free beauty ” lol

  20. Janny · June 11, 2012 Janny

    I very much enjoyed reading this. I never had much of a stand on animal testing, and I do feel guilty for admitting it. You have given me so much insight about the entire issue and, like you said, the layers of issues associated with cruelty-free products.

  21. Killerteeth · June 11, 2012 Killerteeth

    Thanks for answering the million dollar question! Personally I was absolutely livid when UD put out that press release. It’s not so much that they’ve taken this new business turn, but it’s that they’ve pretty much built the brand around the (former) slogan, “we don’t do animal testing, how could anyone?”. It reflected in their advertising, the products they made, the organizations they represented; etc. I understand businesses need $ to survive, but to throw away the main thing UD stood for to make some extra $ is appalling.

    Besides that, the whole “brands flocking to China” issue is so confusing. There are so many twists and things we don’t know about it all. It just bums me out and has made me feel guilty when I put on my UDPP (which is a total HG lifesaver product that I’m not sure I’ll buy again because of this).

    Cora, you should start your own makeup company so we can have cool stuff to buy that we can be sure is 100% cruelty free!

  22. Megan · June 11, 2012 Megan

    All you can do is the best you can to follow what you believe and be as knowledgeable as possible.

  23. charlotte · June 12, 2012 charlotte

    Another big issue that came to me as I was reading some of the replies here.. is trust. A lot of the outrage I have been seeing/hearing/reading over the last few days may be primarily based on the new testing polices.. but at the heart it is about the loss of trust. We trust these companies are selling us products that do what they say. We trust they are actually using the ingredients on the label, that those ingredients are safe, and that the products are manufactured in a safe manner. When we find out they are flat out lying about something like their testing policies… it makes you wonder what else? Not just this one company either, but all of them… because if one can lie and sneak around then they all can. I have heard several people say they felt as if they had been betrayed by a friend. It’s done a lot more damage than I think they expected it to.

    • Amy · June 22, 2012 Amy

      That is exactly how I feel. I’ve been a huge fan of Urban Decay products since they were first introduced to the UK in the late 90s. I’ve always been limited in which brands to use as I’ve uber-sensitive skin. As someone who loves makeup (and dresses in an ‘alternative’ style) Urban Decay fulfilled virtually all of my cosmetic needs. I placed so much trust in them, and have been praising them all the time – writing reviews and recommending them to friends. I’ve never had a bad word to say against them; always thought they were one of the good guys. Dependable, reliable and completely ethical. I never doubted that would change. I am genuinely gutted that they’ve taken this step. After investing so much time/money in them – despite having a very low income – I just feel utterly betrayed. No-one seems to have principles anymore.

      Side note: thanks Cora for writing this; I’m in agreement with much of what you say.

  24. Telma · June 12, 2012 Telma

    I agree with you, China is a giant problem in huge ways. not personally know many of the things that you mention, as a consumer with little money never bothered too much with these issues. however, the short time I bought a kit from Sigma brushes and made a point of choosing vegan.
    I think that the lower is the price, the less people care about how or where it is produced.

  25. Kare · June 12, 2012 Kare

    This was something that needed saying by such a well know youtuber guru ( breathe)
    I myself have been looking into how companys ‘claim’ cruelty free yet are still able to print some bull about how some of the ingredients may have been tested etc etc.
    Your right, this grey area is just so vast that if you don’t do your homework, you will end up with something that is not 100% cruelty free.
    I refuse to buy anything from L’Oreal, even though they now own The Body Shop, which is all about cruelty free and recycling etc. You really have to look into these companys or they will blind side you.
    Avon for example own Liz Earle, which is all about natural ingredients, YET Avon is not a cruelty free brand.
    I am saddened that MAC will no longer be my ‘goto’ makep anymore, but hey. Its their loss not mine. If more people boycott and know the truth, then these companies and their greed for money …..WILL see that us girls won’t stand for this barbaric practice in the 21st century.

    This also goes to the leatherworkimg industry. I always thought handbags/purses were just made from cows that went to the slaughterhouse. Even though that in itself sounds wrong, the REAL truth is much worse, and i urge all you gals to think about buying leather in the future. Same with down/feather pillows/coats. The birds are plucked alive with no pain relief. It upsets me so much what this world is and does at the price of these poor animals. It needs to stop and it needs to stop NOW!

    I just wanted to add. I am also now boycotting anything with chemical parabens in them. The more i read, the more evidence shows that these ARE linked to breast cancer. Take away any risk is a good thing right?

    Sorry for such a long post, but keep at it Cora xx

  26. Aly · June 12, 2012 Aly

    Agreed. I’ve spend so many hours researching it and every time I think I have a handle on it, it changes. And as I get more and more in make up and nail polish (I have soooOOOooo much nail polish) it gets harder for me to catch up. I definitely appreciate your guidance with this.

  27. Emina Lelić (@EminaLelic) · June 12, 2012 Emina

    Mhm, this is also a very vulnerable topic and I still don’t believe that in my lifetime this problem will be solved in any way… but Cora, thank you for your time to express your opinion. I fully support you and your work.

  28. Mary · June 12, 2012 Mary

    Thank you for your well-thought out words.
    It’s beyond frustrating the amount of red tape, back doors, and double talk that corporations get caught up in.

    Guess it’s time to go out into the woods and smear berry juice on our faces….with leaves. :/

  29. Jillian (@Jillisant) · June 12, 2012 Jillian

    I admire your commitment to your beliefs, your career, and your quest for information. Through your YouTube channel and vlog, I have become more aware of the animal testing issue, and I am thankful that there are people like you who care enough to get the job done right!

    • Cora (vintageortacky) · June 12, 2012 Cora

      Thank you for your comment! I really am glad if my novel of a blog post helps people be more aware of what they are buying!

  30. Helen · June 12, 2012 Helen

    This pisses me off. I would feel good about using cruelty free products that still had such good quality. I am a vegetarian and animal lover and see no point in testing on a mascara on animals when it’s people that wear them. I also have 4 house rabbits and couldn’t imagine the pain of animal testing on them. All cosmetics should list the gray area on their packaging so consumers are aware. I try to buy American as much as possible but sometimes it’s unavoidable. Thank you so much for bringing this to my attention!!

  31. Joyness Sparkles · June 12, 2012 Joyness

    I am a buy local kind of girl. I recently found Gourmet Body Treats…non-toxic, cruelty free, and vegan: http://www.gourmetbodytreats.com/

    Great post…always put your money where your heart is. :)

  32. Patricia · June 12, 2012 Patricia

    I’m so sorry to hear that you are still going to be using products that are tested on animals. I see this differently, maybe because I had seen what they do to animals, I think is sooo inmoral and so wrong to buy any product tested on animals. I will never again buy a Mac product or a UD product and to be fair Mac products have been very shit since the launch so many collections every single month that the job that they do is crap and very far from what they used to be. I hope you don’t get angry or upset with my comment, this is my opinion and I know for sure that more people think like me and I just can support any beauty product tested on animals, it is just wrong and ridiculous. Another thing to point out is that the law in China refers to the products to be sold in China and I don’t think it refers to products that have been manufactured there to be sold in the rest of the world. The only reason why lots of companies manufacture there is because work force is cheaper there and that means that they ‘build’ the product there but not that they develop the product there so it doesnt apply to animal test. Personally, I think it is atrocious that these companies want to move there when they should be using the ‘Chinese demand’ to make a change in the Chinese law. Accept the Chinese law is going backwards instead of moving forward. There is no excuse for these companies since they don’t even need to expand as they are big enough in the rest of the world so I call what they are doing ‘GREED’ and I hope they end up crashing as a consequence of their acts. That being said, I want to let you know that I love your tutorials and your looks but I just don’t agree with using such brands anymore.
    For truly information regarding brands that are cruelty free you can visit PETA website where you can find a list of all the brands that do test and all the brands that don’t test and if some of them do not appear you can just go to their websites and find out.
    I hope you excuse my disagreement. xx

    • Cora (vintageortacky) · June 12, 2012 Cora

      Having an opposing point of view is fine, and I do see where you are coming from. Thank you for being respectful, and I appreciate your insight.

    • Screamer77 · June 12, 2012 Screamer77

      I understand Cora’s perspective, but I agree with you that I won’t be buying those brands anymore.
      P.S. PETA really can’t be trusted very much on this issue… :(

      • Killerteeth · June 12, 2012

        PETA’s “companies that DON’T test” list actually confuses me more than these companies and their vague policies. A company of note on this list is Revlon, which is sold in China. It makes me wonder if PETA and Leaping Bunny took UD and Estee Lauder brands off their lists to save face since everyone and their moms is making a giant stink about the issue (and rightly so, in my opinion). It just goes to show we really can’t trust the big business people:-/

      • xBlackOrgasm · June 13, 2012

        I won’t be purchasing from these companies again, either.
        I think PETA’s list should be used as a guildeline– if im not sure, I contact the company myself, do my research… like I wouldn’t rely on PETA only.

  33. HePaintz · June 12, 2012 HePaintz

    Thanks for this very insightful post!

  34. Lanara · June 12, 2012 Lanara

    Dear Cora
    I love your channel and your blog and I see that you are a woman with a heart of gold, I wish that a lot of people would stand up for those innocent People who suffer (like africans, syrian,palestinian etc) Media and Society are silent about this terror going on all over the world, in my opinion we should start to stand up for those people who have not the luck as we have to sleep in a bed have a family have something to eat and drink and then fix other problems like animal testing, I do agree with you in a lot of things but there is something more important than that :)

    • aly · June 12, 2012 aly

      You can be vocal in standing up for that issue at the same time as being vocal against animal-testing. It is possible to feel strongly about both, you know? ;) I don’t think we should be trying to make it into “this other thing is more important, so we should only be thinking about this this other thing!”, because eventually saying that just leads to nothing whatsoever getting done for ANY issue. Of course what you speak of is a big problem, but when something can be done easily about animal-testing in cosmetics since there are obviously alternatives, why not speak against it? Animal-testing in cosmetics is a hot topic right now because of what’s been happening with the companies, so people are going to talk about being against it…it doesn’t mean these people don’t also feel strongly for the cause that you speak of, or of any others. There’s much that’s wrong with the world, and we can do work in the name of each of those problems, not just one of them at a time. I hope you get this perspective :)

      • Patricia · June 12, 2012

        I completely agree with you aly. We should fight for the direct things that are in our hands and not just saying…’there are other cruel things happening in the world so I’m not moving a finger about this’. Animal testing in cosmetics can finish and should finish and we as customers can express what we think and stop buying if we don’t agree.

      • Cora (vintageortacky) · June 12, 2012

        I think sometimes we all feel stretched to thin about the many problems of the world. I agree that we should all take on the responsibility to be educated about these issues and speak up for what we think is right, it takes specialist in each area to get things done.

    • Cora (vintageortacky) · June 12, 2012 Cora

      Thank you for your comment- I agree that the world is seriously effed up.

    • Sarah Apsey Barres · June 19, 2012 Sarah

      Fight animal testing and you are fighting for human rights too. People/companies who don’t treat animals with love and respect don’t care much for humans either. Big companies who test on animals are just a bigger version of the abusive boyfriend/husband who also abuses the family pets. I work in news – 9 times out of 10 the jerks who show up on our broadcast with animal cruelty charges have a girlfriend/wife who is also the victim of the perp’s abuse. The 10th one just doesn’t have a girlfriend yet. There is a strong link between animal abuse and murder.

      Big companies lie, a lot. The only thing that matters is the almighty dollar, no matter what they say.

      What we are all finding out now is the reason those big companies like MAC, UD, et al promoted the whole “cruelty-free” thing is not because they were big-hearted people – it’s because they saw an opportunity and capitalized on it. The opportunity being, they recognized that many consumers had become quite savvy and knowledgeable about what’s going into the things they consume, such as makeup and food for example. The “green” thing nowadays isn’t prolific because humanity suddenly had a change of heart – it’s because it’s profitable!

      Of course that’s not true of all people/companies flying the “green” or even the “cruelty-free” banner. I think the animals’ best defense in this case is us not giving up on keeping ourselves informed, as many have stated in the comments here already, no matter how heart-breaking it is. If the companies we patronize are going to be so heartless about us, then we need to be discriminating about our purchases. This is our money, after all.

  35. fairbelle · June 12, 2012 fairbelle

    Over the last couple of month I almost had the same thoughts as you, Cora. I hate animal testing (I have an animal rights group and we try to save as many as we can – but it was easier when I wasn’t working, now I simply don’t have the time to do as much as I would like to – I even wrote my masters thesis about animal ethics). But nowadays the problem is not so easy anymore because everything’s gotten so complicated and non-transparent. I’m from Germany and I read about the ban on animal tested cosmetics and there are still enough loopholes… I try to be very careful with what I am buying and I was so happy to get Urban Decay stuff when I was in London – and now that… I’m not really sure about what my point is, I’m just so irritated and frustrated…

    • Cora (vintageortacky) · June 12, 2012 Cora

      It’s a really snarled situation, so I understand how you feel!

  36. aly · June 12, 2012 aly

    I was wondering if you’d address this, Cora. Very well-written. There are a lot of grey areas and what I feel comfortable with is going by the lists of products that aren’t animal-tested…it’s difficult when the companies outright lie or use tricky wording to make it seem like they don’t do what they’re doing behind the scenes, but I can feel okay in buying those written up on the non-animal tested cosmetics lists.

    I also choose to focus on the make-up issue. One doesn’t need to be vegan or vegetarian in order to have a problem with animals being tortured for the sake of a make-up product. A great number of household products don’t offer non-animal tested alternatives, unlike cosmetics, so I feel it’s a different story there, unfortunately, when we’re not given any options. Not to mention that household necessities are far different from make-up, something that’s a hobby and it’s unjustified to think the animal cruelty is worth the end product of a little mascara. So I think focusing on getting cosmetics to go completely cruel-free is a first step to improving the rest.

    I understand the China expansion from a business point of view, but these companies didn’t give any indication that it was necessary to go there in order to stay in business or anything. They could’ve just chosen to continue what they were already doing, as it wouldn’t lead them to becoming bankrupt before China could change their animal-testing laws and give the companies an opening to expand in good conscience.

    Especially considering that cruelty-free was THE foundation for a company like Urban Decay, knowing that they sacrificed what they stood out of greed is gross, worse than those other companies who didn’t boast such a cruelty-free message. Urban Decay’s statement just made things worse by being offensive on many levels, and all that combined will keep me from buying another UD product. I never bought from Avon or MAC to begin with, just by some coincidence, so it won’t be a problem to avoid their products from now on.

    One thing, though, I was under the impression that only the products sold in China had to be tested, not the products that they were just being manufactured there to be shipped here (like WnW, I don’t think they’re distributed in China, and since they’re not, they don’t have to go through the mandatory testing)?

    • Patricia · June 12, 2012 Patricia

      You are right, I said it in my comment. Products manufactured there are not tested on animals if they are not going to be sold in China. Companies just go there because the work force is cheaper but they just manufacture, they don’t develop the product there.

    • Cora (vintageortacky) · June 12, 2012 Cora

      I fully agree with you about Urban Decay- their PR statement was wholly insulting, and after they built their entire brand reputation on being cruelty free. Urban Decay is a brand I could probably let go of, I don’t stock anything buy UDPP in my kit from them, and that’s replaceable with other primers.

      If it’s true that things only manufactured in China are not animal tested than that is great news!

    • Screamer77 · June 12, 2012 Screamer77

      I totally agree with you! :)

  37. Lady & Olga · June 12, 2012 Lady

    Not an easy subject… :/

    • Cora (vintageortacky) · June 12, 2012 Cora

      nope!

      • MAY DA HATA OF CORA · June 25, 2012

        coraa for reaal .. all youu do is complain .. uhh so , theyy test on animals ? GET OVER IT ! youu eat meaat don’t youu ? well theyy torture themm at the slaaughter house , and kill them .. and , they test animals ! there’s only one difference .. theyy don’t kill them to get on ur plate .. i mean really .. WHO CAARES ? just usee it .. jeesh .. P.S. ur makeup skills stink .. UGGHH ! dont even get me started on ur nail work ! **no offecne ?**

      • Aubrey · June 25, 2012

        @MAY DA HATA OF CORA

        First of all, you’re obviously some kid, and everybody has different opinions… that doesn’t mean you have to be rude about it. Cora probably won’t even answer you, because she doesn’t care what anybody thinks. If you think she does bad make up tutorials, okay, keep it to yourself…

        **I’m sorry if I sound so harsh, I don’t want anybody to think I’m rude, and I know I wasn’t really sharing my thoughts about the blog… I’m sorry.**

      • I AM A HATA 2 .. && NO I AM NOT DA OTHAA GURL , THAANK YOUU VERY MUCH .................................... ALSO , UR MAKEUP DOES STINK .. GURL! · June 25, 2012

        listen here youu abrey chikk , WHATEVS .. ur obveeously just trying to sound nice , and look kewl .. & NO I AM NOT A KID I AM 26 YEAARS OLD , THANK YOU VERY MUCH ! !

      • Fiona · June 25, 2012

        You know, children – because Aubrey had it right, that’s all you could either of you possibley be – just because I eat meat doesn’t mean I like to torture it before hand. Or because I wear woolen products I like to make sure the sheep was in pain all the while the wool was being removed. So just because Cora, and I, and a bazillion other people enjoy makeup, does that mean we like to have our products tested in a manner that’s not only painful but actually kills something?
        Go properly educate yourselves on the details of animal testing, and then you might have something worthwhile to say.

        Haters are clearly going to hate regardless, but if you think Cora’s efforts are so poor, why did a) you watch her video and b) make your way here? If that’s what you thought, you’d hardly take the time to stop by her blog. Only bullies behave as you do, is that all you are? Society doesn’t tend to tollerate your kind anymore, or hadn’t you noticed? (Rhetorical question {go look that up in a dictionary, I doubt you have the education to know what it means else wise}).

        For what it’s worth, Cora, I think it’s especially disgusting when there are viable alternatives to testing on the animals. Surely the products have been tested prior to being imported? I can’t think the Chinese have higher benchmarks than, say, the US or western Europe!

      • Elizabeth · July 1, 2012

        First I would like to say that I do not use all cruelty free animals products, and you as an individual may think as you want about that. But something about this post really made me gain more respect for you. You could have just not said you opinions, but instead you decided to trust your followers to respect your opinion and possibly follow some underlying guidance. So I would just like to say it is a little disheartening to see these few disrespectful, and to be quite frank childish people who can not respectfully state their opinions. To put it into simple terms for these obviously dumb hater you can get you point across without being an asshole. If you read many of the post you can tell that some people have achieved that, and to that I say thank you. I believe that everyone is entitled to there own opinion, and if you don’t respect someone else’s opinion how can you possibly expect them to respect yours. Also being a hater is just not cool, and you will always be drowned out by the good people who,love Cora. Thank for you reading this very long winded comment, but I too wanted to share my thought’s and opinions so thank you again. And Cora never stop being who you are, because they’re some many more people who love and value your opinion then people who don’t. And you inspire me to be myself so thank you Cora.

  38. grace · June 12, 2012 grace

    I try to use as many vegan cosmetics in my work as I can. 100% pure is also an amazing brand :)

  39. Brittany CrazyHat · June 12, 2012 Brittany

    Sadly I just feel like there are no companies I can trust with this issue anymore :(

  40. Jessettery · June 12, 2012 Jessettery

    Hi doll!
    Well i have to add what i was told about the cruelty-free products that are manufactured in China, because i asked myself the same thing.
    So… companies like Wet.Wild, Jordana, Kleancolor, Nabi, that manufacture their products in China, produce or formulate the product in USA, and then they just hire China to reproduce in masses for them, China recreates the formula and specifications given by the brand, then send all the stuff back the USA.
    As China don’t sell those products in their country, they do not do the animal testing.

    Im also against animal testing, and i spend hours and hours looking for info for my readers and i know how it is to be a source of trust, to be honest i don’t complain coz i believe animals worth it, and i also support cruelty-free companies, dont even look at the apparel of the cruel ones.

    Its a delicate subject, and yeah we have to stand for what we believe that meaning each one of us should decide depending on each morality, values, and whatever we have to be human.
    Ive seen many who simply don’t feel a drop of sad or care after seeing how animal testing is done, even heard that they prefer an object/material over a life. That makes me pissed but can’t do anything about it, but i wonder at that step where will we end?

    Anyway i’m glad you wrote this, others will see they don’t have to convert into pope to care for animals.

  41. Debbie :) · June 12, 2012 Debbie

    you are 100% correct for sticking to ur guns!! but it is simply not fair how u r betrayed (as i would put it) by ur all time favorite cosmetic company!! but you make good points and i hope you are able to continue in what u do because u are good at what you do :) its not an easy subject but its times like these when someone should stand up for what they believe in and good on you for doing so!!

  42. Jessica · June 12, 2012 Jessica

    I love make up and even though right now I’m thirteen I wanna be a make up artist when I’m older. I love animals and love when I look at the back of my make up and see non- animal tested. I’m not really sure what companies do test and wish I did, but I agree with you and wish that make up wasn’t animal tested. It crushes my heart to know that an animal goes through pain so people can look beautiful.

  43. Screamer77 · June 12, 2012 Screamer77

    I understand your perspective. I will still stop buying UD products. With them my issue is not just animal testing. It’s about going against their core identity, and that makes it so much bigger for me.
    I am very curious to see what will happen once the European ban takes effect. Will MAC, UD etc. still be able sell their products in Europe if they’re tested on animals in China? Will Europe let it slip because they’re not the ones directly doing the testing? Even if they have to pay for those tests? Will these brands have to choose between Europe and China?
    I know China is a huge market, and from a company point of view it simply can’t be ignored, but Europe is not that tiny either.
    So, in the end I hope Europe (money+values) will trump China (money – values).

  44. morrisunt · June 12, 2012 morrisunt

    I get what your saying but to clear things up a bit at least from what I understand on the subject that makeup being sold in China has to be tested on animals but makeup manufactured in China doesn’t need to tested on animals because other countries have different laws and other brands have different regulation. Also it’s less of the makeup brands fault that they sell in a place where animal testing is required, China needs to either remove the animal testing law or rewrite the law to were animals aren’t hurt or tested on in the making of cosmetics because in reality cosmetics unlike drugs shouldn’t be vigorously tested for side effects and I’m sure there are plenty of people willing to test makeup because people already test drugs and the makeup industry has come far enough that we know what can be put in makeup and what can’t. But I’m also very disappointed in these companies that are willingly allowing their products be put on animals and it’s clear that you are too.

    Maybe you can start using products that are made by people on Esty or Storenvy here’s a link to a great place that is 100% vegan eyeshadows that are really inexpensive http://ticktockcosmetics.storenvy.com/ and their are a lot of other small cosmetics companies on this site!

    Faye

  45. fragileeternity · June 12, 2012 fragileeternity

    Whilst the issue its self is confusing and unclear, I really admire the way you presented your views without being condescending or making us feel that we should believe as you do. It very refreshing xx

  46. Mckenzie · June 12, 2012 Mckenzie

    It really saddens me that companies feel it’s okay to do that to innocent animals. I remember when I found out that Cover Girl’s parent company tests on animals. I was so upset. I went on a mission to find out who tested and who didn’t and now I have a list on my iPod of my favourite cruelty-free companies.

    Anyway, I commend you on your effort put into this post. I’ll make sure to pay extra attention to what you say about animal testing in the future. I also hope that all companies will go cruelty free. It can only do good.

  47. Alex d · June 12, 2012 Alex

    Thanks for your post! Can you give us a list of 100% animal testing free products?

  48. Patricia · June 12, 2012 Patricia

    Dearest Cora, I have been following you forever, I work a full time job but your videos (for maaaany months) have been the inspiration for my hobby (makeup) Now I own a nice collection of makeup myself and I always looked up to you to do what I also consider “the clean brands” this made me think as well I am not sure were do I stand now and agree with you on the mess it creates. I am not vegan or any of that but I recycle and put the out on a container (little things that make me del better) I don’t know if I can also give up on make up that took so long to grow on me. I hate that changes like making products somewhere else is made on an economical decision and not on what should be.
    You deserve a medal for taking the time to write this and now that you did I found out how uneducated I am on this so thanks!

    • Cora (vintageortacky) · June 12, 2012 Cora

      You’re quite welcome dear- I’m truly glad it helped you!

  49. Becky · June 12, 2012 Becky

    I just want to say thank you for such an honest post. I am a person that does not want to offend anyone and I appreciate your truthful response to this shocking realization. I am a huge buyer of AVON; the majority of my makeup is AVON and I love it. Reading this post makes me torn… should I continue using these products I have, some of which I just purchased? I haven’t come to a decision, but I strongly appreciate your post. Thank YOU :)

  50. domenico · June 12, 2012 domenico

    i’m a vet…i chose this life because i love animals more than anything…and believe me, i do feel like shit every time i take an aspirin or i use non cruelty free stuff…but honestly, we just cannot be totally “cruelty free” unless companies and above all governments will start telling us the truth…we need to be educated and we need to have a real choise….i want to be honest to my ethic…but thay have to let me :( that’s my point…ur a great person cora <3

  51. abrilliantbrunetteJacqueline · June 12, 2012 abrilliantbrunetteJacqueline

    I love you for this post and I totally agree. Being 100% cruelty-free is tough. I recently tallied up the cost of replacing some items I have with cruelty-free stuff (like switching from MAC to Tarte…they are cruelty-free, right), and it would have cost me a fortune, especially since so many items in my makeup kit are MAC. As a makeup artist it makes it even more difficult to switch. I can say though that I’m semi-cruelty-free and that’s about as good as it’s going to get, although I’d love to be able to be so fully. I’d also love it if companies could be totally up front about this situation, which will never happen.

    As far as UD goes, I refuse to purchase from them ever again. The way they dealt with this situation was insulting and rude. They don’t have any products that I NEED, and they no longer have my business.

    • Cora (vintageortacky) · June 12, 2012 Cora

      I feel the same Jacqueline! Urban Decay built their brand image on being Cruelty Free, but has been doing this for a long time before releasing one of the most insulting PR spins ever. Urban Decay is a brand who’s products I like, but I could live without them. I just went though my collection and it’s 1 lipstick, 5 eyeshadow palettes, some mostly used up liners, and udpp- all replaceable. MAC is harder for me, because of my emotional tie to the brand. Everything else I can give up.

  52. Kahlee · June 12, 2012 Kahlee

    Thank you so much for this post, its really taught me a lot (even though you said you didn’t want to think of it that way :p)
    I really wish banning animal testing was much more simple. Its so clear in my head why we shouldn’t and yet no one else seems to really think of it the same way as me. I love my animals and think of them pretty much as little humans, though they may not talk they obviously can feel and show that they can feel pain. How can anyone stand to let this happen? The law is obviously not okay with starving animals or other physical means of abuse, but when it comes to animal testing do they just not care?

  53. Eva · June 12, 2012 Eva

    “Every time you spend money, you’re casting a vote for the kind of world you want (Anna Lappe)”. I will definitely not spend money on companies that do any kind of animal testing, even if that means giving up some of my favorites (Urban Decay will be hard to give up) because ultimately a world without animal testing is what I want to see.

  54. Maria · June 12, 2012 Maria

    Dear Cora,
    first off, I apologize for my not so good english, I lived in the States many many years, and moved back to Italy about 10 years ago, my school education has being divided in those two countries but mostly in Italy. I am a make up artist my self, my first job ever was at Estee Lauder, and moved on to MAC, which is my favorite brand, so I completely understand how you feel in this matter. Unfortunately I think that while this is a big issue in Europe and United States, obviously it isn’t in China, a country where, we all now, not only animal testing is a procedure done normally, but also where there isn’t much respect for animals in general. Their economy is based on trading and exporting, not quality stuff because they don’t manufacture anything original, but duplicates of other brands, which has made their economy one of the strongest in the world, and one a lot of companies are looking into because of what it would bring in terms of revenues. I think it is shocking that companies like MAC, Urban decay and such, decide to break into their market knowing that the testing required by law is on animals, but at the same time I think that they have no choice, except not to export their products, you and I both know that is out of the question.
    A while ago i wrote to a company I love, because I had heard that they no longer were animal testing free, and what they responded is that China requires all testing on cosmetics to be done on animals, and that it is something that goes beyond their control.
    It is very hard to wear a blush or a lipstick that you know will be tested on animals, but at the same time, I will have the assurance that this will only be done in China, it doesn’t make me feel that much better, because I would think that those billion dollar companies could refuse to go against principles that up until a short while ago were publicized, but at the same time I realize that their biggest principle is MONEY. So what should we do, stop wearing make up all together?? I think the best solution is to keep living our lives as best as we can with integrity and high moral principles, because sometimes, it’s not up to us to make a decision, actually most of times decisions are made for us and all we can do is accept them.
    I love your youtube channel you’re an awesome make up artist!
    Maria.

  55. Jennifer Dodson · June 12, 2012 Jennifer

    The more images of the actual tests on animals, the easier it gets to seek out companies that do not test on animals. Think Tarte, Too Faced & those you mentioned..but, don\’t forget about Veggiebeauty & Shiro Cosmetics. There are plenty of independent cosmetic sellers that are so passionate about cruelty-free, they have made their own names & have AMAZING products. If you must use the dirty cosmetics for your employ- it is what it is. Otherwise, we all must pick and choose where we do business, I agree. Just a heads up- Method is cool handsoap +, Cleaning Day has awesome dish washing liquid. There are plenty of inexpensive brands out there currently standing by their ethics. Check out http://www.veggiebeauty.com.

  56. LifeOfBun · June 12, 2012 LifeOfBun

    Sad to hear Cora… I understand your arguments but strength is still in numbers, and it pains me to hear you’re giving up. There are enough independent companies out there that we can support in my opninion.

    • Screamer77 · June 12, 2012 Screamer77

      I agree with you. A lot of people are just saying that that’s what companies do, that there’s nothing we can really do… but isn’t it the same as saying “well, that’s not what we want, that’s not what we do, it’s the Chinese government, there’s nothing we can do”?
      Yes being 100% CF is still impossible, yes the situation is not black and white, yes it will be hard to give up our favorite brands… but luckily for us, at least when it comes to cosmetics products, there are many good alternatives… the market will be the market, so if we start buying makeup only form CF companies, the market will eventually have to adapt. It’s not going to happen overnight, but nothing will ever happen if we give up. We make the market, we are the customers, our choices do have an impact.

      • LifeOfBun · June 12, 2012

        I like how you say “We make the market, we are the customers, our choices do have an impact.”
        That’s exactly what I mean, any changes made start from us, the people. Not the companies telling us what to do, and not us conforming to them, but what we choose to invest in!

  57. Mandiey · June 12, 2012 Mandiey

    If they got Nyx they got the best of us. My mom is a raging hippie! Animal rights, vegan, child of the land and as a child I couldn’t wear makeup because of animal testing so when I finally got old enough to get out on my own I hunted and hunted for affordable makeup that my mother wouldn’t shun me for and Nyx was my simi solution as well as a few other things. And my Mac lipsticks…..

  58. Essie Rae · June 12, 2012 Essie

    Great post! Thanks for taking the time to sort it out for us!

  59. Michelle (UltaJunkie) · June 12, 2012 Michelle

    Cora,
    Your post is eloquent and very well written. I think that this is definitely a difficult subject to take a stance on. There are multiple sides to the story and unfortunately, not everyone is forthcoming with all of the information involved. I think that each consumer has to evaluate their feelings for themselves and perhaps they are impassioned enough to boycott a brand or many brands, and perhaps they aren’t. I think that it is terrible in 2012 that companies are still testing on animals and that countries are still requiring it to be done. However, the same can be said for cosmetics, medication, cleaning products, and medical treatments. I don’t think that anyone can take a hard line on this issue as it is fraught with perils. Make the best decisions that you can make for you and your conscience and leave the rest as it is.

  60. Madison · June 12, 2012 Madison

    I think it’s totally great that you and so many others are not okay with animal testing. I wish that more people were against animals in captivity as much as they are about animal testing (I scanned through, so I hope this wasn’t already mentioned). I only bring this up because you said you bought a Kodak camera and Kodak supports the Alliance of Marine Mammal Parks and Aquariums. As far as I’m concerned, both testing and believing keeping animals out of their wild homes for our unnecessary pleasure and entertainment should not be supported. I’m not trying to be mean or call you out, I just wish both of these issues had equal adversion from good, passionate people like you and everyone who has commented, and to bring awareness to it as well.

  61. Lucy · June 12, 2012 Lucy

    Thank you for this post!!! It’s good to see that there’s still people who care enough to take a stand. I’m starting to do my homework and try to be as much cruelty free as one can be, and to be honest I’ve been feeling so sad and betrayed since I’ve found out about this, your post and all the people that have commentated made me feel that there’s still hope to make a change.

  62. Mandii · June 12, 2012 Mandii

    Does anyone know anything about Australian laws? I am ashamed to say I haven’t really taken much notice on this topic and am horrified with myself, I am interested to research but don’t know where to start! Please no hate

  63. Kassie · June 12, 2012 Kassie

    Thaank you for sharing Cora :)
    Now I somewhat understand the animal- testing situation.. And if I ever come across a petition against it, i will sign it!
    Just the thought of my dog being tested on makes me cringe :(

  64. Kaitlyn · June 12, 2012 Kaitlyn

    I agree with this completely. I’ve always been against animal testing ever since i was very little, and even more so when i saw how much harm something that wouldn’t do damage to us could do to animals. Because when i was 12 a poor mother duck was shot with a paint ball and she couldnt even swim with her babies. Seeing how bad that affected her, and knowing how much i generally love animals, being against animal testing was a simple choice. And things like this make me frustrated as well. And i do believe that there should be laws in place, because obviously there’s a better way.

  65. Anne · June 12, 2012 Anne

    Hi, I was just wondering because it didn’t seem very clear to me in the entry: Will you still continue to buy from companies, such as Urban Decay, that have entered the gray area? Or will you just continue using the products you have and labeling them appropriately in your videos?

    • Cora (vintageortacky) · June 12, 2012 Cora

      I don’t know if I’m going to buy specifically from Urban Decay; Their PR spin was really insulting. I stated that I will be supporting gray area cosmetics companies, but I will always mention in a review if a company is int eh gray area, or is cruelty free.

  66. Amanda · June 12, 2012 Amanda

    This really hurt my heart as a makeup artist and as a conscious consumer. It’s truly a battle between your job and your morals. I’m going to hug my cat and cry now. Or buy up the entire MAC store before they outsource their manufacturing. And isn’t Urban Decay endorsed by PETA? May sparks fly!

  67. Melody · June 12, 2012 Melody

    This is a great response, Cora. Thanks for posting this and taking us through your thought process. I agree with you. This is definitely a disappointing turn of events, but the economy is truly global now and it’s difficult to know who’s really doing what and if you’re just arbitrarily boycotting stuff. I hope that eventually all markets will believe in cruelty free testing, but you know, until then we all have to get along, so I think we simply have to wait until China is in a position to change it’s policies, which is a definite possibility for the future.

  68. Betsy · June 12, 2012 Betsy

    Thank you for this post, Cora…it is sad that these companies are folding their morals for the almighty dollar….Mrs. Meyers is cruelty free cleaning products available @ Target…I love the idea of you posting each companies testing habits on your videos…with all the lies it is hard to keep track of who is cruelty free or not…thankfully there is leapingbunnybeauty.com for up to date info also!

  69. Millie · June 12, 2012 Millie

    You made some valid points, but what I find flagrantly ironic is you consider being a beauty blogger as your occupation, and your posts are (consistently) riddled with typos and misspellings.  Take as much pride in your written work as you do in your cosmetic work and personal opinions. 

    • Just a reader · June 12, 2012 Just

      What I find flagrantly ironic is how you can criticize someone for their typos and misspellings and yet you used an unnecessary comma to separate a sentence. Anyways, blogs are considered a personal space to write feelings of a subject down…which is exactly what she just did. If she were being paid to write her thoughts down it might be a little different, but I’m guessing that she knows her fans aren’t uptight about her writing style and so she doesn’t necessarily care.

    • Sarah · June 12, 2012 Sarah

      People in glass houses… Your first sentence is, in fact, a glaringly obvious run-on sentence. Perhaps it would be best to fix one’s comments before suggesting a blogger — who was obviously fueled by a passionate opinion, in this case — fix their mistakes as well?

      • Millie · June 12, 2012

        …she said starting off with a fragment. From which community college did you graduate?

      • Millie · June 12, 2012

        You might also want to Google en dashes; they might chip away less at said house, Rhodes. Moreover, her posts are consistently riddled with errors. She claims it’s her livelihood, and therefore might want to take pride in it (or hire someone to do it for her). I’d suggest she consider you since clearly you have nothing better to do with your time than troll comments. The sentence is grammatically sound, but you might not have learned that in, what did you say your area of study was? People in glass houses, indeed.

      • Shante · June 12, 2012

        Wow… “one’s…comments/their mistakes.” One is singular. Their is plural (and NOT an acceptable/correct gender neutral pronoun). You might want to check yourself before going on a tear like that. And for the record, the “run on” isn’t incorrect. Sheesh. What was that you said about glass houses??

      • Alexia · June 14, 2012

        Please calm yourselves. THERE IS A SERIOUS ISSUE HERE. I feel that small grammatical errors, typos and whatever are OKAY on the internet. It’s not like shes writing an essay. I mean jeez Louise.

  70. Lauren · June 12, 2012 Lauren

    That’s so frustrating as 80% of my make-up is estee lauder :/ hmm, it’s a hard one. xx

  71. Katie Young · June 12, 2012 Katie

    Bless your sweet heart Cora. I completely hear and understand where you are coming from on this issue and I am basically thinking along the same line with you. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and opening yourself up to the controversy that will be sure to follow. You have my support 100%. Love na dhugs form Canada <3

  72. nikkie · June 12, 2012 nikkie

    I read this aloud to my husband, he likened it to the food and clothing industries. About how they become so powerful and thus ambiguous regarding their stances on their industries issues. So then most people would rather spend extra and go to a farmers market or pay for extra pricey clothing at some hemp vegan hippie store, just so we can feel better about our choices. I guess the same goes for our beauty products, we can’t always know all about them, but it’s worth it to make the changes where we can. If everyone tries a little bit to make a difference here and there, eventually cruelty free will catch on.
    Maybe people can continue to persuade brands to go the better way? I hope so.

  73. Yolanda · June 12, 2012 Yolanda

    All u can do is educate yourself n help the rest of understand how these company work. Thank you for the information. Sending blessings ur way.

  74. Alisha · June 12, 2012 Alisha

    I understand the issue and conflict, but I have an immense amount of respect for Urban Decay addressing the issue, and being honest and up front about the issue.

    • aly · June 13, 2012 aly

      When they found out that they were taken off the Leaping Bunny list, they knew people would be questioning why, so they wrote up a statement before the removal was noticed. They thought it’d save them customers to address it rather than not, and moreover, to keep people by insisting they were doing it for a righteous cause and blaming another country for their own decision. Their wording in the statement also seems to be stretching the truth.

      When it comes to being upfront, it came out that they were over in China back in May and people were invited to a launch party for this expansion back then. So they weren’t being upfront because this was going on unbeknownst to us for quite a while.

  75. Colleen · June 12, 2012 Colleen

    As long as we’re moving into other countries and markets that carry their own set of laws and policies that are different from ours it seems there will never be a black and white answer of yes or no. I haven’t done any research on this but it seems to me that the brands themselves do not test on animals but the countries (i.e. China) will test those products on animals, unless such brands have a manufacturer in those countries and do participate and perform those tests themselves. But without a clear cut public claim from makeup brands stating they are 100% cruelty free i don’t think there’s ever a way of knowing if they truly don’t test AT ALL on animals anywhere!

  76. iluvenis · June 12, 2012 iluvenis

    I like that you took this seriously. I like to be informed of which companies are cruelty free, even if I don’t always buy with that being my first priority.
    Hope you feel better, and hopefully the Europe Ban (which I didn’t know about), would make it harder for cosmetic companies to test on animals :)

  77. Hotashi · June 12, 2012 Hotashi

    I really enjoyed reading your post, even though I take a different stand than you. I understand your position as a makeup artist and how it’s more constraining on you to change the brands you have in your kit for less known ones. For me, an everyday consumer, I don’t see it excusable to not choose truly cruelty-free brands, even if they are smaller companies. Finding out that Mary Kay, M.A.C, Urban Decay and NYX have all started testing in China made me feel like I got stabbed in the back by them and I can’t just let that go. I definitely understand the business side of things like you mentioned, but I can’t help but think that if Lush can hold off on branching into China then so can all these other major brands.

    • Cora (vintageortacky) · June 12, 2012 Cora

      I think NYX is still cruelty free since they don’t sell in China- they are still on PETA’s “good” list.

      • Hotashi · June 13, 2012

        From the response NYX gave Veggie Beauty (posted on her site), they (NYX) said they themselves don’t sell in China but third parties do, which means their products are tested on animals. I also found NYX’s answer very evasive and seems like they aren’t guaranteeing that they won’t branch out into the Chinese market directly even though they for alternative methods.

  78. Megan · June 12, 2012 Megan

    Great post! I like that you are still thinking, still questioning everything. All we really own are our ethics. We are clearly dealing with corporations who, although we would like to think of them as friendly people who have our best interest at heart, actually only care about the depth of our pockets. Have you seen the movie Ethos? I highly recommend! We do have the power to change things.

  79. Jackie · June 12, 2012 Jackie

    I appreciate this post.. I think what it boils down to.. For everyone.. In any situation.. Do your homework when and where you can, and try to make the best decision for yourself, your life, your family.. In the end, no matter what you decide, you have to be able to live with yourself. We all have to decide what “hot button issues” or whatever you want to call it, are important to us, for me, personally, animal testing in another country doesn’t fall high on my list of priorities.. *Don’t shoot! hear me out!* Why? Because in MY life, the issues that are close to MY family, are things that are… *trying to decide how to word this without insulting anyone, which isn’t my intention*……. things that directly affect us personally on a daily basis.. For example.. I have 5 children, 3 of which are autistic, I’m autistic, my brother is autistic.. It’s something that completely effects every aspect of our lives… Is it as important to… say my next door neighbors? Not so much.. They’re more interested in deportation laws because they’re dealing with that in their lives right now… Is that to say one is more important than another? Absolutely not.. Kind of.. *lol* One is more important to me, personally, one is more important to them, from their perspective. Should both points of view be respected? Absolutely. And.. THAT.. *after a long ramble*. is my point. Thank you, have a nice day. :P (It’s late, I’m sick, I’m tired, and I have no idea if I made any sense.. but it’s cool.. hopefully someone out there will “get” what I was trying to say! lol)

  80. Coley · June 12, 2012 Coley

    Touching, and completely understandable.

    Unfortunately, that is the way of a lot of things regarding issues of money v. moral. And you really need to pick your battles, and hope that one day it will even itself out.

    I hope you get some consolation in the fact that you aren’t alone in this confuzzled situation and that you aren’t wrong.

  81. hairyfrankfurt · June 13, 2012 hairyfrankfurt

    I don’t think it’s new to us that China aren’t the best with animals or politics (sorry, tell it like it is), but this really changes things. I think if we could know these brands don’t conduct the testing themselves, i.e. company conscience, at least to me, that’s still a cruelty free product. If of course it wasn’t manufactured in China, because that is HELLA gray area.
    Then again, coming from an Australian seeing this happen VERY locally, I think it’s time we stopped selling everything off to the Chinese. They’re moving to my country and buying land like lollipops, our famous UGG boots are made there, and now cosmetics are sold there after undergoing their strange testing laws? Nuh-uh. Sorry but no wonder the world has a crud economy.

  82. bardot · June 13, 2012 bardot

    I totally understand where you’re coming from.
    Fortunatly I live in Holland where cosmetic companys are forbidden by law to test in the country.
    But as we all know those moguls find their ways around this minor setback.
    But we luckily have some great and even budget-friendly alternatives that are cruelty free and great quality that I find myself preaching to everyone haha so I also get the feeling of not beeing understood and even ignored if I speak about my choice for not buying cosmetic from certain company’s.
    I would just like to say I really admire and appreciate your honesty and you standing and sticking to your own believes because I know it would be so much easier to just mindlessly buy&use whatever comes along without thinking twice about it and not having to constructively explain to others why you make the choices you make whilst not coming across jugmental but beter yet inspirational.

    Lastly, don’t let this take away the pride, joy & fulfilment you get from doing what you do!

  83. uakellie · June 13, 2012 uakellie

    Hi Cora,

    I read the whole thing. I pretty much stand exactly where you do. I do NOT want to use products that are tested on animals at all, but how do we know that for sure? Especially with so many products going overseas. When I was in college I did a paper on animal testing, I probably shouldn’t have LOL because it seriously scarred me for life. It changed my outlook forever. I think a lot of people just don’t think about it, put it in the back of their mind thinking “what can I do about it? It’s not going to change” and the reality is they are probably right, but does that make it okay for us to just give up? I’m not vegan or vegetarian or anything. However there are certain meats that I will not eat just because of the cruelty involved (that’s a whole different subject) I wish I could be vegetarian, but it’s just not practical enough for me. And like you said, you have to draw the line somewhere. I think as long as we make the best choices wherever possible that is better than doing nothing at all.

    This is a really tough topic, especially when you’re so passionate about it. And it gets even tougher when products you’ve looked up to for so long have changed their standards. It’s easier if its a company you have no attachment to and you can just say “psh I’ll never buy xyz products” but when is products like MAC, Urban Decay, etc how can you realistically do that? Like you said, you could replace your whole kit then a year or 2 down the line it could all change again. When does it all end?.

    Just out of curiosity, you mentioned sunscreens etc. Have you been able to find any vegan/cruelty free products?

  84. mocha · June 13, 2012 mocha

    great blog! I like having information.Thank you

  85. Liz · June 13, 2012 Liz

    Hi Cora,

    Thanks for writing this post, I truly appreciate it. I do agree with you that this is something where everyone needs to draw their own line. In a perfect world animal testing would not exist but things are far from perfect. I started my kick about the animal testing about 5 or 6 years ago and was on a mission to find cruelty free beauty products and a couple of years ago have started to be cruelty free with the products I use at home as well (bath, cleaning, etc.) but I am not there yet as this is very hard to do but I am trying. I would say about 60% of things in my home are cruelty free.

    I was so upset with MAC about this and struggling with the decision of continuing to purchase their products as I truly love MAC and now knowing about Urban Decay has put me in such a difficult position. I just don’t know what to do it is too hard for me to draw that line. I still have not purchased any MAC since I found out about them in March, I also picked up a MAC application as a good friend works for them but now not sure if I want to do that either. I hate this that we are put in this situation on one hand we can continue to buy from these companies but on the other I just do not have the heart to do so at the thought of animals suffering it pains me too much.

    I hope China realizes that conducting this kind of testing doesn’t prove anything, makeup is not intended for the animals they are testing on but for human use. Ridiculous!!

    Thanks Cora, you are fabulous as always! Take care ;)

  86. Kristinax · June 13, 2012 Kristinax

    Cora,
    I hope you will be giving me a medal for having finished reading your post (lol). Your the only person that I watch on YouTube that only promotes cruelty-free products on your channel. I, for one, appreciate the fact that you are being true to who you are and not just following everyone else and buying into companies that do test on animals and such. I have looked to you for cruelty-free products in the past and you have inspired me to one day have an entirely cruelty-free makeup collection. I understand your frustration with the companies that you know and trust to be cruelty-free that are now just going to be gray areas. Its really frustrating that they would just completely change their policies in which their company was built on just to be sold in China. I appreciated this blog post because I had no idea that this was going on. I guess its going to grow to be increasingly hard to have a completely cruelty-free makeup collection as more and more companies that are currently cruelty-free may do the same thing. In the end, YOU know that the makeup you have as of right now was bought off of a once completely cruelty-free company and not from the gray area that it is now. But what about purchasing new products? Im not really sure where I want to draw my line now. Ive never minded paying a higher price if I knew that the products were not being tested on animals, but now its a different story. Its dissappointing. Your amazing and thank you for everything. :)

  87. Karen · June 13, 2012 Karen

    I know I’ve already posted but I just wanted to add this. I breathe easier when I know that cosmetics and toiletries are from a company that’s cruelty-free but coming from a medical background I know that the medicines we ingest are tested on animals. It is something you have to accept if you have a medical condition that requires medication. Just something to think about if you feel that you cannot put on your skin something that your brain is telling you may or may not have been tested in some foreign country on some cute little furry thing by this company, If it was a choice of life or death,,,well you get the picture. Things will change it just takes time.

  88. Karen · June 13, 2012 Karen

    oops sorry about the commas… I meant periods – wacky keyboard

  89. xBlackOrgasm · June 13, 2012 xBlackOrgasm

    Hey,
    I’ve always respected you for buying cruelty-free. I know exactly what position you’re in– I felt super betrayed and pissed too.

    I am a vegan animal right activist. So as you can imagine, this really hit me hard too.
    How Im handling it basically is I refuse to buy from any of these companies anymore. I still have Avon, MAC, and Urban Decay products. Since they’ve decided to go to the “dark side” as you put it so well, they have lost me as a client. As soon as I find out, I can’t see the company in the same way, they have lost my heart. It’s like we’ve been cheated on, like they could have made a stance like LUSH did and choose not to.

    It’s not like Im going to throw out all my stuff from these companies.. I’ll still be using what I have (which already is tough bc when I went vegan I didnt use up all my L’Oreal stuff.. I got rid of that stuff asap), bc I still have a special connection with these companies. I’m just not going to be buying new products from them. It’s frustrating, but I can enjoy the sizeable amount I do have.
    Did you consider this? Like keeping all your stuff and using it, just not buying anything new?

  90. Makeupfreak · June 13, 2012 Makeupfreak

    Hey Cora!
    Its about sometime, somebody did and thought about this awful problem. it’s amazing how much a company can have an effect on you, such as environmental friendly packaging, animal testing, etc. This is why urban decay has been my favourite brand. I’m shocked that a brand like urban decay would animal test.
    As where you stand as a make up artist, I don’ think you should stop. its your passion and it’s also mine. Nothing in the world is going to make me stop doing what I love and it’s important to fight for the good and what you believe in
    Hopefully you’ll make the right decision <3

  91. Vikky · June 13, 2012 Vikky

    Im not sure if anyone else has mentioned this as there are a lot of comments to read, after already reading the post but PETA offers a lists on their website that has cruelty free/vegan companies (for everything food/makeup/hair/clothing etc). Though I do not agree with all of PETAs campaigns and such it’s still a useful/helpful tool if anyone may be interested. I cant speak for the accuracy of the list, but I’ve used it for items I’ve purchased in the past.

  92. Anne · June 13, 2012 Anne

    I have a coworker who is a vegan/vegetarian and just stopped buying avon because of this. And then she threw out a bunch of snacks because she found out they weren’t cruelty free. I did read through your whole post and I appreciate your thoughts on the matter. I of course have a few brands in my own collection and am not aware of all of their policys, but it sure would make it easier if you have clarity before you buy to make the choice

  93. Nicole · June 13, 2012 Nicole

    I really appreciate you sharing this news and your thoughts on it. I try to keep my products cruelty-free, and I’m also frustrated at how difficult it is to tell whether or not some cosmetic companies actually test on animals. All I can do is use my best judgement and sign lots of petitions. On a side note, if you would like to make the rest of your home cruelty-free, Method products are a great option. They’re a bit more expensive, but I find they go a lot farther then the stuff made by P&G.

  94. Marcela · June 13, 2012 Marcela

    Great post, Cora! Since the bunny is the universal symbol for “cruelty-free” this hits home for me… I have 4 year old Netherland Dwarf bunny and I hate imagining innocent little creatures like him being locked up in labs for their entire lives and being subjected to chemicals. As for Urban Decay’s press release from last week, I was totally blown away by their hypocrisy and money-hungry decisions. Sadly, money makes the world go round, right?

  95. Stephanie · June 13, 2012 Stephanie

    This type of struggle is the most difficult. I work for a company that does drug testing & food testing. I don’t and could never work in the drug testing portion of the company, even though I understand the necessity of testing drugs on animals (thalidimide anyone?) I would not be capable of going home without tears every single night. The worst part of working in the food testing industry is how glaringly obvious it is that not only are our products not tested for safety, but our food isn’t either. As you said, these kinds of “first world” social issues need to be chosen because there isn’t enough of a choice to be black and white about it, and as a result I’ve kind of shut out the problem for right now. Funding and solutions for my outrage about horrible testing practices across non-drug lines aren’t clear in my head yet. I’m not sure what the point of this whole thing is, except to let you know that you aren’t alone in these kinds of struggles. Also, your outrage isn’t misplaced, and I completely respect the fact that you are trying to reconcile this issue, which is so close to your heart, and your career.

  96. V.C. · June 13, 2012 V.C.

    Thank you for this! I feel like our brains work similarly, and I’m a Scorpio LOL! I really don’t want to “out” myself here, but I worked for UD many moons ago. Knowing some of the aforementioned people, I have to say that on a personal level, I’m truly shocked. Animal rights was a high priority for this company, from day one. Dogs literally ran around our office all day long. In the end it seems, everyone sells out. It’s disheartening, this feels like such a betrayal. Their original statement was laughable and insulting. I appreciate you taking the time to purge your thoughts. When are you handing out the medals? ;p

  97. Alexia · June 13, 2012 Alexia

    Is Wet N’ Wild still animal friendly? Please say yes. If not i will probably never buy another piece of makeup again :P
    They obviously test on animals because its cheaper than using technology. It sucks. Moola is all they want. Terribleness.
    Thanks for posting about this Cora!! I love you and you are such an inspiration to me!!

    • Stephanie · June 25, 2012 Stephanie

      technology is way cheaper than testing on animals. the drug testing industry has had a huge hit because of that, every year brings better technology for prediction of potential drug problems, which means that industry gets smaller and smaller. (yay!) also, there are so few chemicals in makeup it should be able to safely tested on people from the start. if companies were that unsure of the chemicals used they wouldn’t (shouldn’t) risk using them in the first place.

  98. Brenda · June 14, 2012 Brenda

    I’m screwed…So very screwed…I just finished my Esto program and my goal is to be a make-up artist. My boyfriend opened a credit card just to buy a make-up kit because I don’t have credit to get one myself. The thought of using non-cruelty free sickens me. It really does. I really have no idea what I’m going to do now.

  99. Elena · June 14, 2012 Elena

    Cora, if you like a brand cruellty free, ORIFLAME has a PETA stamp on its catalogs… i works like AVON onda the selling part, but you can make your self a seller and have the products to your house…. at least I do that… for i’m a vet and if i can, i try to buy only cruelty free makeups

  100. jena · June 14, 2012 jena

    We all know you’re a good person and have only the best intentions. You can only do what you can with what you’re given and the fact that this issue takes such a toll on your emotions is just a testament to your goodness and kindness.
    Just continue to do your best and stand for what you believe in and you can’t feel guilty about it. This is your job and your livelihood (and mine through proxy because I’m too poor to actually start haha) so you can’t give up or start over simply because these brands aren’t as true to themselves as you are to yourself.
    …I hope some of that made sense put a little smile on your face

  101. Michelle May Mbe · June 15, 2012 Michelle

    Hello Cora!

    I recently found out about the horribleness of L’Oreal and felt horrible! Since i had my first dog 4 years ago it’s like every animal in the world is her, I can’t watch the donkey sanctuary adverts as i get all blubbery!

    Anyway, I wondered if you’d tried Lily-Lolo? It’s a UK website only brand that ships to europe (a lot in Sweden apparently so good for us pale girls!) It has the BUAV bunny on the bottom and bonus it’s non-comedongenic and since i stopped using MAC in favour of LL about 3 years ago my chin-acne has all but disappeared.

    Anyway, it is a horrible thing to acknowledge that bloody China just don’t give a crap and thinking about what might be happening could drive you crazy.

    I suppose we all have to do our part but it is difficult reconciling it with our daily life to allow us to ‘keep calm and carry on’!! :-)

    Love your videos! Keep it up
    Thanks
    Michelle x x

  102. Lisa · June 15, 2012 Lisa

    Wow! This does give me a lot to think about. I have always tried to buy cruelty free products, but I am in a different boat. I have 2 kids and my husband is the only one working right now. I have a small jewelry biz that is slow right now, so not much income from my end. I had no idea about okay products. This Is truly a bummer.

  103. Lisa · June 15, 2012 Lisa

    Oops meant to say olay products. darn spellcheck!

  104. Fiona · June 15, 2012 Fiona

    It’s a real shame that some of these amazing products involve animal cruelty. Being budget driven as I am, I’ve always had to go for drugstore products (and I’m heartbroken to find out some of my favourites are animal testing!) As I’m currently doing a makeup course and will need to get myself a kit too, well wow. It just got even harder to know what to buy.
    For what it’s worth, I think if you already have products from these companies pre-China market days, then don’t waste your money and finish using them. It just means you’ll need to look for a replacement/dupe from somewhere else. Who knows? Maybe you’ll be finding a whole new brand to love and promote that you may even like BETTER.

    I congratulate you for having the nouse to say what you feel, Cora. It’s a unique kind of bravery xo

  105. Felicia · June 15, 2012 Felicia

    You mentioned something about Olay, can I just ask how is Carrie Underwood their spokesmodel if she’s also worked with PETA? I wonder if she’s aware of their policies, or if she just doesn’t care.

  106. Candace · June 15, 2012 Candace

    I know that animal testing isn’t the optimal method of testing and that it is best for companies to opt out of it for the sake of being “cruelty free”, but I don’t understand why people get so up in arms about it. What other option would a company have? To test a potentially dangerous product on humans and risk hurting the quality of the life of a HUMAN BEING? And they typically completely neglect the fact that most of these companies that are located out of the United States don’t have the labor regulations that we do and most likely the eyeshadow that you are using was made by an underage and underpaid worker. So testing lipstick on a chicken (and for the record there are more chickens in the world than there are humans) seems like nothing when there really is a huge issue behind it. So to me, ensuring the quality of a human life is much more important than putting eyeshadow on a chicken. And I am an animal lover. I have two dogs and I treat them amazingly so I am not a hater of animals. I just think that people invest so much into these little trends such as animal rights and they forget things that are really important such as human rights. Just some food for thought…

    • Patri · June 15, 2012 Patri

      Obviously u Havre no idea wat animal testing is all about. Go do a little research and then come back.i cant imagine what u can do with ur two poor dogs

      • Candace · June 16, 2012

        Obviously spelling is a foreign concept to you. And yes I know what animal testing is all about. They do treat the animals poorly and I think that should not happen at all. Those cages are inhumane and they aren’t fed or taken care of properly and they aren’t given ample space to live a good life. I get that. But at the same time, are we willing to make the tradeoff for the quality of life of a rabbit (which are seen as pests in some areas) and a child worker? Getting up in arms about treating those animals poorly seems a bit ridiculous when there are young workers slaving away to make these cosmetics and when these human beings (who probably have the potential to think of better, alterior methods of testing) are not being given the opportunity to better themselves and are instead helping these companies make their products. It’s a little ridiculous.

      • Fiona · June 16, 2012

        Ok, if you had read Cora’s post in full – and paid attention – you would bote she has mentioned that there are certainly other issues that need addressing in the world. And no one else here has tried to deny that, either.
        However, this particular post is about the heiniousness that is animal testing. Not child labour, or any if the other equally important causes you have mentioned, and seem to be trying to hijack this post to be about.
        At the end of the day, animal testing is outdated and unnecessary, and a hellava lot easier to fix NOW than the other causes mentioned.

        And by the way, it’s human conceit that justifies animal cruelty over human life. Were you a bear, or a dog or “just an animal”, I doubt you would still hold human life more important than your family/pack’s.

      • Patri · June 16, 2012

        Thanks Fiona for the help here!
        By the way, regarding my spelling, I just wanted to let u know that beca use I am Spanish I have my keyboard set up in my own (that is why the English spelling is not recognised and some of the words change to something weird) but at least
        I’m able to express myself in a diferente language. I doubt you can but after seeing the way you attacked me about a silly thing as that we all can see what kind of person you are. And animal testing is not just not giving animals room enough or food enough, I keep saying u should find out.

  107. Shalom Z. · June 17, 2012 Shalom

    I am really upset about the way companies are giving in to low standards in order to turn a profit. Frankly, none of the companies who produce cosmetics lack the funds to ensure their products are cruelty free. I feel betrayed by Urban Decay and MAC especially. I spent the last 18 months saving (I am on a very limited budget) and researching cosmetics so that I could replace and expand my make-up kit with high quality, cruelty free products. I put several hundred dollars into UD and MAC literally days before this issue came to light. I am absolutly sick about it now.

  108. Amber · June 18, 2012 Amber

    Reading this post, and trying to comprehend all this has sent me into a fit, most likely mirroring your own, and many others who’ve commented before me. You’re honestly the first person that ever truly brought the idea of cruelty-free beauty and personal hygiene products to my attention and I am so thankful for that. When I did more research into it, i was literally sick for days thinking about how terrible it is that human beings think they’re lives are so much more valuable than any other living thing. I’ve since persuaded quite a few friends and my sister to try and make slight changes in their buying habits and to test out cruelty-free products similar to the ones they had been previously using…and that has made me only feel slightly better.

    The guilt i feel for even being part of this human race that does these things is immense at times. but reading this post, and seeing that there are supporters of this cause out there, makes me feel a little better that at least some people get it.

    Thank you for being such an amazing person and bringing these kinds of issues forward to so many others. Even if it doesn’t reach all of your viewers/followers, I’m sure it’s gotten quite a few minds thinking about animal rights and that’s a great step in the right direction. (:

  109. Kristien · June 18, 2012 Kristien

    I’m actually really glad you share this opinion with me… I think this is the first time I post on your blog, but I’ve been following you on youtube for a while now.
    I only found out 2 days ago that Urban Decay and Too faced are going to sell in China and won’t be cruelty free anymore… This makes me really sad and angry, since Too Faced is my favorite make up brand… I’ve been kind of lost now. Although make up is just a hobby to me, this is important to me.
    A couple of months ago I decided to buy only cruelty free products and I’m still learning, but now that even Too Faced (and UD) are going to test their products on animals, I have no idea what to buy. Most of the cruelty free make up brands I can get in my country aren’t great quality, I actually went to Holland for Too Faced.
    I’ve been thinking about it, should I stick to the completely cruelty free side, or still get some of the brands in the grey-zone…
    Right now, I think I’ll be able to continue to be cruelty free, if I start to get my make up online (brands like sugarpill, sleek, …) although this would be a huge step for me. My biggest fear about this matter right now is that most of these companies will decide to test their products on animals, and somehow I think it’s not going to take long anymore before this will happen :(

    I want to thank you, somehow reading this post made me feel a bit better. I think it’s amazing you could be so honest with us and I think you’re right, we need to draw a line in this matter. I keep hoping for a crualty-free world, although at the moment I understand this is still needed in some producs.

    Thank you for your honesty :)
    Love~

  110. yoli maldonado · June 18, 2012 yoli

    cora i agree with you 100 percent! me and my sister share makeup, and well ive been trying to just get my own. and only from ones that dont test on animals, i research for products, but it seems like most companies are in the gray area :/ and thats just not cool. i want to know what im paying for, and i want to know if it was tested or not, i dont like this gray area stuff… its very confusing.. :/ so i have a huge question for you…. do you have a list of recent non testing companies…. so i can start stocking on them…. because i feel like when i research my self, all i find is “we dont test on animals” but the bigger company’s behind them do test on animals….. its so confusing and i hate it… i wish they would just make a list of the ones that do and the ones that dont without so much horsing arround… they just need to tell us straight forward on their plans instead of fooling around…

  111. SolarSoda · June 19, 2012 SolarSoda

    Excellent post, Cora! Like so many people who have commented here I too appreciate you sticking your neck out to speak up on behalf of the animals. Although I considered myself an animal lover, you have made me even more aware about my purchases, and for that I am truly grateful. Keep up the good work, and … don’t give up! ^.^()

  112. Vanessa Tence · June 19, 2012 Vanessa

    Wow, I can’t believe they still do this? I mean I see the monkey’s in cages in the movies and Lab rats on the news for things like growing a human ear (Which I think is totally gross by the way) but Technology is so advanced or whatever that bull crap is but testing make up!! Really?!?! that’s horrible! I agree with you that there are so many other ways like testing willing humans. I don’t want to buy make up anymore, I’m scared…lol can you provide a list? That would be awesome if you have one.

  113. alkistis · June 19, 2012 alkistis

    In Europe our cosmetics product produce here… Clinique for examble Belgium so I thing thats why they can shell to Europe and China too…. but a list for qruelty free combanies is seems very good to me…

  114. Kate · June 20, 2012 Kate

    Where can I find a list of companies who don’t test their products or the ingredients on animals?

  115. YOUU FIONAA GURL .. SHUTT UPP ! I DIDNT ASK FOR UR OPINIOMN GURL ! · June 25, 2012 YOUU

    i didnt ask for youur opinoin , now did i ? uhh nooooo ! at the end i saaid **NO OFFNCE !** thaat meaans , i didnt wanna hurt her small little fragilee ego ! jeesh i meaan this is whyy i question humaanityy cuzz of youu people .. UGHH ! daang fionaa youu havee a fragilee egoo too .. && to daa othaa hataa .. i love youu , cuz someonee finally undastands me .. !!

    • Fiona · June 25, 2012 Fiona

      I don’t recall anyone asking for your poorly spelled, abusive, uneducated opinion either, yet here we are.
      Adding “no offence” doesn’t make your remarks unoffensive, and you clearly meant them to be offensive.
      Don’t like what I have to say about your poor behaviour? Easy fixed. Stop behaving like a spolied child who got caught doing the wrong thing.

      If you do not agree with animal testing, that is your right, but you need to learn to express yourelf properly, not attack people and be rude and abusive.

  116. Clare · June 29, 2012 Clare

    Everything you put on your face has at some point been tested on animals in some form over the last 50 years. Every single ingredient in make up was tested at some point.

  117. Bri · July 3, 2012 Bri

    I actually work for Origins, an Estee Lauder company that specializes in all natural skin care. I never had any idea about any of my sister companies and their new policies about animal testing! Thank you so much for sharing.

  118. Heather · July 7, 2012 Heather

    Just saw this today on Urban Decay’s website:
    “UD Decides Not to Sell in China
    After careful consideration of many issues, we have decided not to start selling Urban Decay products in China” — from UD website policy linked below

    http://www.urbandecay.com/Animal-Testing-Policy/animal-testing-policy,default,pg.html

  119. dollfacediva214 · July 8, 2012 dollfacediva214

    I threw a fit when urban decay decided to sell to china, and so did a lot of people. They announced friday they are not going to be selling to china, speaking your mind and sticking to your guns does help. But yes this is a really tough subject.

  120. miss.gracie92985 · July 20, 2012 miss.gracie92985

    I know that e.l.f. Cosmetics (eyeslipsface.com) might not be one of the best makeups that is out there like MAC and the others but they do not test on animals. As a matter of fact they were recognized by PETA with a certificate of appreciation in 2005, and are currently supporting HSUS and are partners with PETA in the Caring Consumer Project.

  121. Emma · July 26, 2012 Emma

    Great post! It is a very hard thing as a make-up artist to always be selective as you have clearly said and I do tend to favour the non tested champions like Yaby and OCC but sometimes you have to go over to the dark side for a client.

    As for the Urban decay point I am not sure if you received the press release from peta but they have now pulled out of sales in china I posted the release on my blog if you wanted to read it: http://promakeupartistblog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/urban-decay-pull-out-of-china.html (feel free to copy and post it as you see fit)

    And if there are people out there wanting to know who test and who dont there is a full list on Peta’s site and they do regularly update it: http://promakeupartistblog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/animal-testing.html

    I hope this helps and well done for being so ballsy in putting your opinion out there not everyone is as brave

    Ems xxx

  122. Maria · August 24, 2012 Maria

    Wow I am with you on this I hope that ban does go and all of the animals will never be tested on. Some people think that the past testing is alright we need to move on and never test on animals I am with you all the way Cora I hope you feel better

  123. Jenny · September 7, 2012 Jenny

    Hi Cora, I recently discovered you on the recommendation that you are one of the few beauty vloggers who makes a point to try and go cruelty free. The whole topic is so sketchy and confusing! Despite the newly added grey areas I just wanted to thank you for putting this out there and trying to do the right thing. You rock and I love your blog and videos, hang in there!

  124. Xochitl · October 1, 2012 Xochitl

    Hey Cora,

    Thanks for touching on the layers of animal cruelty and showing how these issues aren’t as black and white as we would want. I don’t know if you’ve thought about it but you can make your own laundry soap. It’s an easy liquid solution and it’s much cheaper than buying it. The original list calls for Dawn dish soap but proctor and gambel use animal testing. So if you wanted there are a few others you could substitute with, http://www.onegoodthingbyjillee.com/2012/04/super-fast-and-easy-homemade-laundry-detergent.html

  125. laura · October 9, 2012 laura

    urban decay have announced they WON’T be selling in China now. Phew!

  126. Jael · October 10, 2012 Jael

    It’s like you read my mind! I’ve been struggling with the same issue for months now. I’ve been trying really hard to be as cruelty free with my beauty products as possible, but like you stated there are so many gray area companies it’s hard to know what your really buying. It’s been a tough struggle because L’oreal was one of my favorite drug store brands, but after learning about their stance I’ve given them up completely. MAC was another difficult brand that I’m still struggling with. I love them for being a more affordable “high end” brand but I just don’t know how I feel about some of their products being tested and some not. I think the best thing that has come out of it is, I’ve been able to have open discussions with friends who had no idea this was still happening and have stopped using products made by companies who more openly test their products on animals. They too, are not vegan or vegetarian, but just don’t feel that lipstick or it’s ingredients need to be tested on animals. Thank you so much for this amazingly written blog on this subject!

  127. Stephanie Sjoberg · October 30, 2012 Stephanie

    I feel exactly the same as you do. I shout praises of a lot of the cosmetics products I love on my own personal blog luxorlivingandstyle.com and I used to do a lot more cooking blogs, until I came across http://www.c-a-l-f.com and they blew my mind with the evil, cruel things done just to serve us cheaper, inferior meat and dairy products. So, like you, I’ve decided to do the best I can on this issue. I started crying like a nutcase spontaneously, after someone had posted a facebook photo from c-a-l-f…..it broke my heart. I want to help, feel helpless and figure the only thing I can do is start doing recipes with organic (cruelty free) pasture raised animals and other food choices. That website opened my eyes, and while I can’t say I am a vegan, I can say I will never buy a fur product again.

  128. Randi · November 1, 2012 Randi

    newbe follower of yours, but i also agree with you. animal testing is bizarre in my book, can’t remember anytime when i thought “hey imma put some eyeliner on my puppy.” i cannot praise you enough for feeling strongly about something and sticking to your “guns” about the issue. like it’s been said before, its mostly about convenience in today’s society and getting the bigger bang for your buck, and it is quite sad that our world has turned into that. i also appreciate you honesty, and the time you took to sort through your thoughts. not many people are truthful and honest anymore.

  129. Lisa · November 10, 2012 Lisa

    This was so well written, Cora, and spot-on with how I feel as well. I struggle back and forth with this, as I know that I do not check to make sure all the other products I use are crulety free. I have tried that before, but sadly, it is so hard, because it seems almost every readily available/ well known brands of personal care items, cleaners, etc DO indeed test on animals. I also struggle similarly with buying paraben free products. The paraben free movement is gaining momentum, but right now many of my favorite brands & products still contain parabens. Then there is the issue of choosing – well, this product is paraben free, but not cruelty free or vise-versa. It is so difficult and overwhelming!

  130. Mizz Mo · December 11, 2012 Mizz

    Estee Lauder has ruined many companies that they have purchased. MAC was literally created in a kitchen sink – now it is nothing like it used to be. Aveda and Sean John are the only Estee Lauder companies that do not allow animal testing – and that is due to the contracts that were signed when they purchased the companies.

    I have stopped purchasing MAC – which has broken my heart. Like you, it is the company that got me excited about make up. There are alternatives that I make work.

    I look at it this way – look in your pet’s eyes – now put something harmful into those eyes (testing labs hold the animal’s head and insert the product directly in their eyes). By purchasing these items KNOWING what is being done you are in essence doing the same thing. Companies will change their ways when they begin losing money. The all-mighty dollar is what sways Estee Lauder – always has. Taking your money else where and supporting companies making an effort to do good is the best way to put a stop to these practices!

  131. consultant china · December 18, 2012 consultant

    In China, foreign brands such as LA MER and SK-II are stii not frequently seen in smaller cities, but brands like Olay are actually becoming prevalent in people’s lives. Also, China’s domestic brands are coming up.

  132. GingerSus · February 21, 2013 GingerSus

    I am so happy to have found your blog post. I am considering applying for a position at MAC and am doing my homework and am uneasy about what I am reading! Your post mirrors what I am thinking. That if a company is required by law in China to allow or test products sold there does that mean that the product they sell in Europe or the USA has a chance of being tested or is it safe? I don’t think I can give up my better makeup (it would cost way too much to replace) because in one country where I don’t live or buy from mandates a cruel practice. Also, for all you Urban Decay lovers out there/reading this, Urban Decay announced they would not be selling in China and have been reinstated on the Leaping Bunny list.
    Hopefully China gets rid of this ridiculous law.

    • Cora (vintageortacky) · March 1, 2013 Cora

      Exactment! I hate knowing that brands I love are selling in china which forces them into a grey area, But I’ve chosen to still support them because in my country they don’t test. but now with the European ban on Animal testing it will be interesting to see how companies react. One big one is L’oreal- HUGE cosmetic company, and French based. This spring will be interesting.

  133. Natasha · April 13, 2013 Natasha

    It is so nice to see that you are a makeup artist offering her clients more than just the usual toxicly chemical filled makeup brands out there(all the big name beauty brands). I really appreciate that you offer cruelty-free options, and even vegan makeup.

    It is so sad that this is what is done, and the ingredients are known to cause so many horrible side effects, YET this is hidden and covered behind pretty packaging and glamorous ads.

    I am so happy that I have discovered a beauty brand that IS cruelty-free- GLAM GIRL NATURALS COSMETICS. It is 100% cruelty-free, gluten-free, and 95% vegan. I love the quality of this makeup brand because I don’t feel like I am compromising on my quality, great makeup. I have it all with Glam Girl Naturals Cosmetics.

    You should try them out and get their products, I am sure your clients would not even know the difference.

    It’s like weening a child off of bad for you treats, and giving them something more wholesome and better for you.

    Try them out! I love Glam Girl Naturals Cosmetics.

  134. darkbloodnovel · December 12, 2013 darkbloodnovel

    China sends the US its poisoned goods that sicken and kill both people and pets, and they even sell poisoned food to their own people; yet, they require makeup testing on animals. Does any of this even make any sense at all? It’s funny to me but it seems as if once Europe and the USA started getting on the bandwagon of banning cosmetics tested on animals, China had to step in and begin it all over again. The devil is in the details, that’s all I can say. It’s just pure evil at work here.

  135. Theresa clark · March 21, 2014 Theresa

    Any idea where mirabella falls? Can’t seem to find that info.

  136. Jennifer at Momsgotmail · June 2, 2014 Jennifer

    I found your site because I searched “mirabella animal testing”. I have very similar views towards animal rights. I might be inclined to believe there was once a place for animal testing of some things, but how could I be ok with testing of cosmetics? A cure for ebola? Maybe. Lipstick? No! I love some of the smaller brands that aren’t always listed in the PETA database. I am not a vegan or vegetarian-I am an omnivore that feels slightly guilty when she eats pig and wishes she could afford to feed her family certified humane all the time.

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